Domestic abusers? What about due process?

arriba65 • 13 hours ago

Anything that makes it harder for domestic abusers to get guns is a good thing. That's one of my biggest beefs with NRA - they actually try to protect the gun "rights" of domestic abusers! That and allowing those on no-fly list to buy guns. If the problem is people not guns, let's focus on the people.

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  Nathan Brittles  arriba65 • 12 hours ago

  You are not being honest here. [liberals rarely are when the discussion turns to guns ].

  The NRA has no problem with the denial of weapons to CONVICTED domestic abusers. This is a far cry from ACCUSED domestic abusers who , under due process, have the right to see their guilt or innocence that would either allow or deny their gun rights, heard by a court.
  This is the same sort of Kafkaesque crap being peddled in liberal states such as California. While being merely accused of a crime [ and especially with hate crimes, and those of rape, how many of these have ended up being false allegations? ] you are stripped of your gun rights and there is no quick or sudden re-establishment of these now-abridged 2nd Amendment rights but a long and red-tape-strewn road in getting them restored.
  That state does not stop there. You can be accused of a mental illness by even a family member [ a bill to include ''co-workers'' was stalled by a lineup of what few moderate Democrats and Republicans the state even has left ], which allows police to strip you of your 2nd rights even without the findings of an expert physician qualified as a mental health professional. It is a hysterical attempt to deny guns to the law abiding who have not been found guilty of having committed any crime, or suffer any debilitating mental condition. Upon this then, does the NRA oppose such tactics used by liberal blue states.

Liberal anti-reciprocity ...

Nathan Brittles  MZale • 12 hours ago

Possibly it is due to the fact that you are engaging in a false comparison. This is not about ''cargo shorts'' or ''Va Beach''. It is about the ability to transport a weapon legally purchased by a licenced and law-abiding gun owner through another state, or retain it while on all from a visit or vacation, to a move to another state, without fear of arrest or the imprisonment that can and does accompany such weapons transfers across state lines.
Foolishly, liberals, who demanded reciprocity from all from gay marriage [ before its decision at the national level by the USSC ], to legalized marijuana and abortion, would deny it simply based on their own gun hangups which illogically and always, begin with ''NRA'' instead of finding ways to deny thugs these weapons beyond slapping them on the wrist and turning them loose back into society.
Liberals lose their argument because they go after the law-abiding and not the criminal, whom they could care less about where reducing their numbers is concerned.

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Tough case. Public buildings are open to the public, and these were reportedly unlocked. There is no such crime as "breaking and entering" in Oregon. It doesn't even become trespassing until they are asked to leave. Once they are trespassed, it might be stretched to burglary; assuming the purpose of the burgle was to trespass, or vandalize the building by laying out bedrolls. 
 
It reminds me of all those people who get arrested and beaten for nothing but "resisting arrest." 
 
I would have felt much better if they were arrested for something other than "disobeying the gubment." I'm a firm supporter of the "no harm-no crime" doctrine of administering justice. In this case, it appears that the only measurable harm they caused was in the form of added government expenditures towards trying to control the situation. When the basis for accounting their actual harm caused is the government saying "look what you've made us do," it feels like the government is partially at fault for allowing/causing their actions to have such measurable consequences. 
 
For the record, I share some of their sentiments regarding the need for publicly held lands to be available for the people to use in a prosperous manner, but think this particular course of action was a poor choice in venue and timing. People should be able to harvest lumber from forests, instead of paying to try putting out forest fires. People should be able to use viable grasslands for forage to raise food animals, but they should severely limit access of hoofed animal herds to naturally flowing stream banks; instead opting for stock ponds and reservoirs served by pumps or diversion ditches. 
 
They might have done better to pick a place closer to population density, in a warmer season, and for a much more defensible instigating factor than the Hammonds' arson case. Land use rights is an important and relevant issue if we wish not to be enslaved by corporate oligarchs controlling the means of production.

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